Pillar Governance (Idea-2-Proposal) Process

[vmelvin]

There’s also the option of holding 10,000 PLR in a wallet, preferably the pillar wallet

[Nova]

Is it one or the other? Maybe I’m reading this wrong but doesn’t it say you would need both?

“Token permissioned chat in Pillar’s Discord server exclusive for PLR holders with at least 10k PLR and at least 100 LP tokens for providing liquidity to Uniswap or Sushiswap PLR-ETH pools. It is an agora where various ideas are formed and where early discussions on said ideas can take place.”

[vmelvin]

I thought it was one or the other because I’m not a lp provider. Maybe we need clarification from @jackbass .

[eggman]

If plr wants to become a community owned wallet and project i like the idea of making it mandatorry to provide liquidity and be a govenor AND lock your tokens into a smart contract to be able to receive rewards from fees ocuring inside the System. BUT since we still have no working tokenomics modell that favors tokenholders i will refuse to provide any liquidity to the project or lock anything and rather drop out as a govenor. No tokenomics no liquidity from me.

[jackbass]

Great feedback and even better questions - thanks @eggman! All the linguistic suggestions are now amended.

@eggman

/ too much Information although it is understandable and well written. I have to read and scroll to understand. Don´t have time → i prefer flowcharts with little text.

Let’s finalize this process and once it’s done, we can def think of a diagram that will make things simpler.

@eggman

/ some questions that are open to me: to which degree can a proposal in the gov.forum be changed because it is considering the comments of the govenors before being put up to the snapshot page. maybe the chanchge proposal has to point out clearly what has been changed ?

IMO it can change pretty dramatically it’s based on the research, gathered data and more information analyzed. I’d hope that we won’t rush in taking proposals from Forum to Snapshot and we make sure there’s consensus on them before the Snapshot vote. That’s why it’s so important to promote Forum threads in the Governors’ House just so everyone has a way of providing feedback and adding input before the vote.

@eggman

/ the snapshot page: some proposals are maybe good for govenors but are not good for the project itself or the other way around. Is there somehow maybe a “KILLSWITSCH” for each side ? like a Veto option, Godmode, overwrite everything ?

I don’t think that those options come hand in hand with the decentralized governance approach, to be honest… Team members are also Governors and vote with their tokens too, but as long as this proposed process is followed we should be able to identify such issues before the Snapshot vote and constructively discuss them before they’re becoming “official”.

@eggman

/ one deditcated person would be nice to have that actually proofreads every proposal to ensure it passes all the requirements successfully. This is also important since external audience should read the proposals too.

I agree and would vote for such a role to be paid out of the DAO’s budget.

@eggman

/ is there maybe an option to classify the degree of openness to some Proposals ?

Wouldn’t that be an initial posting in the Discord chat and getting other Governors to comment on it? Or a bit more elaborated Forum thread with a poll attached to it?

@eggman

/ what are the limits of a proposal ? financials, lex, etc.

Everything about this process is painted with a pretty broad brush here and we tried to establish as few limitations as possible to kick things off. Are there any specific financial / legal / other rules you’d like to add?

@vitlus

what about governors that have their tokens locked in LP positions,… is there a way to get their token count there?

There definitely is a way and making it available for LPs was part of the reason why we held Snapshot’s launch for a while. We’re going to launch without it now and as soon as the product team has some bandwidth they will be working on allowing the second token (LP one) in our Snapshot.

@Nova

Is it one or the other? Maybe I’m reading this wrong but doesn’t it say you would need both?

As @vmelvin said it is one or another. Happy to make this clearer in the original post if you think it’s confusing.

[_dj]

Suggested change: “Token permissioned chat in Pillar’s Discord server exclusive for PLR holders with at least 10k PLR and/or at least 100 LP tokens for providing liquidity to Uniswap or Sushiswap PLR-ETH pools.”
Point 3 seems overcomplicated, seems like every Idea thread should have a Yes/No poll from the beginning

What’s the qualifier to move to Phase 2? A certain amount of Yes/No votes? 51% Yes?

Point 1 in Phase 2: PIP could be a summary, but creating a PIP should be explained in detail (what information should be included) or PIPs could be hard to read.

@vmelvin

Maybe we should make it clear under Governance Venues #2 the Governance Forum is a website vs #1 being in Discord? Maybe add the link?

@vmelvin

“Votes no Snapshot are weighted by the number of PLR delegated to the address used to vote.”

Snapshot Votes are the PLR held in the wallet used to sign the address

@eggman

/ some comments: Discord Chat is “informal” and “undocumented” → the govenors forum is “formal” and “documented” → the snapshot is and “binding” and “dokumented”

@eggman

some questions that are open to me: to which degree can a proposal in the gov.forum be changed because it is considering the comments of the govenors before being put up to the snapshot page. maybe the chanchge proposal has to point out clearly what has been changed ?

If you vote “yes” to a proposal or an idea you completely agree, anything else is a “no” and you should author a new proposal based on new ideas and feedback

@eggman

what are the limits of a proposal ? financials, lex, etc.

imo no limits but the team’s opinion in a proposal would be important, and as governors the majority of us want the project to be successful…

@Nova

Is it one or the other? Maybe I’m reading this wrong but doesn’t it say you would need both?

Agree the way it’s written it sounds like you must have both

@jackbass

Let’s finalize this process and once it’s done, we can def think of a diagram that will make things simpler.

@eggman Let’s finalize this with more detail and then we can make a summary flowchart (“Step 1: Start a discussion in Discord about your idea - read this for more detail”…)

@eggman

If plr wants to become a community owned wallet and project i like the idea of making it mandatorry to provide liquidity and be a govenor AND lock your tokens into a smart contract to be able to receive rewards from fees ocuring inside the System.

This sounds like an idea for a proposal in order to change the requirements for being a governor. However to be fair this would need to be a long vote, some people might want to become governors before changes could happen.

[jackbass]

Love the feedback and your suggestions, massive thanks @_dj!

@_dj

Point 3 seems overcomplicated, seems like every Idea thread should have a Yes/No poll from the beginning

Good call. I’ve merged points 3 and 4 into one, check if it’s better now.

@_dj

What’s the qualifier to move to Phase 2? A certain amount of Yes/No votes? 51% Yes?

I framed it as “visible majority” and by that I mean 3:1 or 4:1 - this kind of convincing majority. To be honest I’d try to avoid voting on 50/50 cases, but rather spend more time on bringing the sides together on such occasions. Snapshot to me is a place to set in stone things we previously aligned on through the Forum discussion. As @eggman put it nicely, to make it binding and documented.

Happy to discuss other options as well!

@_dj

Point 1 in Phase 2: PIP could be a summary, but creating a PIP should be explained in detail (what information should be included) or PIPs could be hard to read.

I’ve tried to add more info, let me know how you like it now.

[_dj]

@jackbass

I’ve tried to add more info, let me know how you like it now.

It’s better, thanks. That info should help with writing good proposal labels and descriptions.

[jackbass]

Thanks for the input everyone! As we don’t get more questions and suggestions on this, I’d like the proposed flow to become our default Idea-2-Proposal process.

Obviously, the thread remains here and we’re able to discuss it anytime someone has a better idea. As stated, it’s a living document and an open process, so feel free to propose alternative directions and improvements as we go further.

Now, @eggman and @_dj - do you guys want to help with a summary flowchart? As soon as we have a draft ready I’ll give it to our graphic designers so it looks nice!

[_dj]

Sure…

I may not complete a flowchart graphic if it’s better done by the Pillar team but I can summarize this to prepare:

1. Post your idea in Discord and build publicity on other platforms
2. Discuss the idea in the Pillar Governors’ discord
3. Create a thread on the Pillar Governance forum (Title: IDEA - your_title_here) with a Yes/No poll for community response

If the majority (~75%) of people like your idea and you have integrated community ideas into your proposal, continue on. If not, edit your idea or propose a new one based on response.

1. Create a Snapshot voting proposal ( Title: PIP #proposal_number_goes_here - Your_idea_from_forum_thread ) and provide a brief description of the PIP, a brief summary of conclusions of forum discussion, and a link to the forum thread.
2. Discuss and raise awareness for the proposal to get a good number of votes.
3. If the proposal passes, continue by implementation and getting the DAO wallet signers to process the payment, if necessary.

[jackbass]

That helps a lot, thanks @_dj!

Let me work with our graphic designer on this and drop the flowchart here whenever it’s ready.

[jackbass]

Got this for now, but I feel like it’s too text-heavy and we need something easier to follow… If you have some ideas on how to trim it a bit, I’d appreciate some help with this!

[vmelvin]

Great job Jack. Here’s some feedback.

For me the top numbers 1 and 2 say sort of the same thing. Maybe one could be “Post your idea in Governors’ discord, build support, answer questions.” Number 2 could be “If supported by discord chat create a thread in the Governors’ forum (title: IDEA – your_title_here) with a Yes/No poll for community vote.”

Then the part in the middle could be #3. “If the majority (~75%) of votes support your idea and you have integrated community suggestions the idea moves to a Snapshot vote.”

I’m not sure you need the last sentence in the middle. “If not, edit your idea or propose a new one based on response.” I think that is implied or you could just say “refer to step 1”.

Then the middle could mention that the team actually creates the Snapshot vote; and, the bottom could just be two blocks. Discuss and raise awareness for the vote; and, if the proposal passes, ……

I would probably leave off the Discord logo, it makes me think I need to go there to do that part (hahaha).

[eggman]

For my flowchart i used a more visual approach. Over time the process goes from left to right, Over hierarchies/Levels the process goes from bottom to top. I like the image of a greek temple too where at the outdoor/bottom level we have an open/emotional discussion, on the indoor/middle level we have a closed/educated discussion and on the top level we have a consensus in form of a stable triangle, saying this, maybe we add a temple, people, governors and something else into that image ? What do you think ?

[jackbass]

Thanks, @vmelvin & @eggman - I like your ideas and especially the one about keeping this in the ancient Greece style… Will give it a try if time permits!

In the meantime, I’ve got another proposal from our graphic designer and it seems to be aligned with some of your suggestions. It still might need some trimming on the copy side, but check this out!

[eggman]

interesting that you have 2 Levels and i have seen 3 Levels so far

[jackbass]

This now has been moved to our SnapShot space, to ratify the Pillar DAO’s Idea-2-Proposal process by the signature and to test further our voting solution.

Come vote with your PLR here Snapshot

[_dj]

Great. Also, checking previous proposals, the trend so far is to set the voting period for three days.